Saturday Wild-Card Open Discussion
15 Jan 2022, 02:27pm
The playoffs kick off with Las Vegas (10-7) at Cincinnati (10-7), then New England (10-7) visits Buffalo (11-6) in the night game. Use this thread to discuss them both.
If I were to channel my inner RJ, I would say Raiders all the wsy.
But I do think it will be close and fun.
I see the Bengals coming out fired up. First playoffs since 2015 doncha know.
I do think it’ll lead to some early fireworks, with Burrow and company putting up 150 yards in the first quarter. I don’t think they’ll come away with more than a couple FGs though.
The second quarter will probably get each team a td, since the Raiders aren’t just going to roll over. I think a 13-10 halftime score sounds right.
I’m expecting the Bengals to pull away in the 3rd quarter and finish it 34-17, which is too bad because the Raiders don’t deserve to be remembered as quite that outclassed.
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Raiders have the worst red zone defense ever, allowing a td on 81% of opponent possessions, so of course the bengals score a td.
Bengals settle for FG, I believe stat is Raiders worst red zone defense in 30 years.
Follow up with awful mistake on special teams on kick near sideline, player does not establish himself out of bounds and goes out at 2, instead of getting ball at 40.
Quarters ends with huge 3 rd down play to start quarter 2.
EDIT: Red zone defense not a reliable stat, Raiders could be blown away, but two RZ stops for FG’s and its only 13-3 despite total Bengal domination.
Weird. LV had three consecutive snaps inside their own 5 and didn’t call a QB sneak on any of them. Of course, the second of those was a false start, which they might have avoided if they weren’t going the hyper-aggressive route of trying to run a draw play.
Edit: and on third down Carr gets sacked on his half-yard line and somewhere Joe Judge is yelling “See! I told you!!”
Sure looked like Chase pushed off on that long reception. (I have no rooting interest, just enjoying watching a game)
On a die roll, I’d say that one gets called OPI on a 1 or a 2 and gets ignored on a 3 through 6. Modify the roll by between -1 and +1 based on the tendencies of that particular official.
First big 4th-and-1 situation and CIN goes for it at the LV 31.
I hate the play call – slow developing pitch end around to Chase which would be blown up if any of about 5 defenders beats his block – but all the blockers do their job and they convert.
Clearly a whistle blew when ball was in the air.
EDIT: Now the NBC crew agrees that should not have been a TD
Tough to coach players to stop on the whistle if you’re going to allow scores to count when they’re made after the whistle blew. I’m not 100% certain that the DB on coverage would have been able to break up the pass if the whistle doesn’t blow, but it’s clear he stops trying to make a play when the whistle sounds, as does the DB coming in the other direction (who also likely wouldn’t have been able to break it up, but pulls up and doesn’t even try).
EDIT: watched it again from a different angle and there’s no way the DB coming from the other direction is close enough to lay a hit on the receiver, he’s way too far away. Also, the DB in coverage is definitely beat, too, so I don’t think the whistle affected anything and it would have been a TD regardless. It’s still a really dangerous precedent for the league to set, though, allowing a play to continue after a clear whistle on the field.
The ball was inches away from the receiver’s hands when the whistle blew. It is impossible for a human being to react that fast– in fact, even if it was 5 feet away, it likely would have been impossible for the defender to react– and he was more than an arms length away anyway…
I think you misread my observation
The whistle almost certainly blew (very late) because a ref thought the qb was out of bounds. Which was clearly not the case
So because of an official error in judgment the official then blows the whistle and the offense would be penalized due to compounding officiating errors.
I know Raiders fans are likely upset. But I am ok with the outcome. And yes I know why the rule is in place.
Praise the heavens
Also Bengals rested last week but doesn’t look like rust. Ooops, throw momentum out the window
Big end of H1 TD drive by LV to make this a one score game going into half (unless CIN does something with the 13 seconds left on the clock).
Why are these clowns (former coaches/former officials) so stupid? “Officials can’t ignore rules”– Dungy said. sure they can when the whistle blew a millisecond before the ball hit the receiver’s hands. At the point when no one could possibly have reacted in time– and of course the nearest defender wasn’t even arms length away. That “call” if enforced would have been one of the worst in the history of the league.
Clearly by rule not a TD. That it is a bad rule and refs discretion can be used is a discussion for an offseason rules change.
is dreadful. Tirico seems confused on what is happening play to play. Love Brees but he is super dull. All the camera work seems a step slow. I would expect this from the fourth string ESPN crew covering a nothing college bowl game. Not these guys. Geez
The turnover letting CIN get ball at 15 and only get a FG and the terrible ST gaffe leading to a punt from the 1 only leading to a FG. along with Raiders end of half TD with their extra first half possession from receiving opening kickoff, thats a lot to have happen to save this game and only be down 20-13 at half.
one stop and/or one TO and Raiders are really in this. Of course they may not get either
And you’re looking at a Rodgers-like era of 8-10 straight years of playoffs/contention Burrow is that good
Which is why I think Mayfield is gone in CLEV– they can’t afford to have an average (At best) QB in that division
And Crosby has undressed him two straight plays
Boyd was wide open, the ball was already on its way past the defender, and the play should have been a touchdown. If the worst thing the refs do in this game is blow a bad whistle a fraction of a second before a wide-open touchdown that then stands, this is a win for the NFL.
This ain’t no Tuck Rule– Raiders fans…
Where was the whistle stopping that play?
No delay of game call. Now a late review. These officials are really trying to blow this game.
For Cincy. Wow
The Bengals pass rush has vanished
And the guy cannot stop talking about running the ball
He’s channeling what he remembers TV announcers talking about the last time he watched NFL games at home on TV, back when he was in college.
But would have play actiioned to Cincy TE
Go for it
Five yard penalty wouldn’t hinder the field goal. Save the time out, let the clock expire, move back five yards, and get the same three points.
Bengals should be forced to forfeit. Cowards.
And it was leaning go for it. But it was a toss up so just go with whatever and don’t waste the timeout.
Must be great as Carr has forever and keeps having to check down
It amazes me the brainfarts these professionals CONSTANTLY have.
Just to shift to empty and not pick up the 1st.
Feels as if they’ve been outplayed all day, even though yards per play says otherwise.
Teams still spiking in these situations?
Just a waste of a down that you very well might need.
Welp…guess I wanted Cincy to win anyway.
4th and goal now..game on the line
edit: didn’t get it! Bengals get first playoff win since 1990!
You have enough time for four plays– easy…
Agreed. A quick out that you throw out of bounds is just as good if the coverage is tight.
Ended the game with a lot of time left on the clock. It’s one thing if you are going to mix in a run or throw short or something but they were going for the end zone every time, didn’t need the extra time.
Teams really overestimate their play calling in that situation. As was shown. Just gives the defense time for their “perfect” play too. Try to catch them on their heels.
Everyone remembers the Marino fake spike for a reason. Do not understand why teams have stopped doing it.
Oohhh that roughing the passer call on the final drive of the game looked brutal based on the replay angles shown in TV. Wonder if there was anything there from other angles?
Bit of a sloppy game, lots of FGs, a few too many bad officiating moments … and still a great finish to the game and great start to wildcard weekend.
Cowher and Esiason acting as if this was some horrible call— NONE OF THEM BOTHERING TO POINT OUT THE BALL WAS ABOUT THREE INCHES FROM THE RECEIVER’S HANDS WHEN THE WHISTLE BLEW THEY ARE IDIOTS!!!
Imagine if an inadvertent (and bad) whistle had taken away a touchdown that was about two or three feet from the open receiver.
Thought that was a throwaway.
MVP-candidate Josh Allen shows up on the first Bills’ drive, aided by Judon and Hightower whiffs on two big Allen runs and capped by a beautiful touch pass to the back corner of the end zone that would have doubled as a throw away if not for the great catch by the TE.
Bills with a great opening drive!
Bills D gets an end zone int!
Picks Agholor’s pocket and what looked like a sure NE tying TD becomes BUF ball.
Annnnnnnnnddd….. That’s all she wrote. Pats actively make things easier for Buffalo when the Bills weren’t even on schedule. Hard to imagine things turning out better when Buffalo’s plays go as planned.
40-13 here we come.
Frazier and McDermott will have to make some adjustments. Defensive line also needs to seal the deal once they get to Jones. Offense is clicking so far, though.
Up 14-0, controlled the 1st quarter with ball control offense.
But if they come up empty on Buffalo’s next drive, they might not have much choice. It’s becoming clear that the Patriots still have no answers on that side of the ball, because they still have no answers for Josh Allen.
playing for NE stuns me given his weak 8ss effort to tackle the back on that play to get inside the 5.
They have played a mix of man-to-man and some against Buffalo, and it hasn’t mattered at all. Any idea when the Pats last got a sack, got a turnover, or forced a punt against the Bills? Because I think it’s going on seven quarters now.
Edit: I looked it up. As Buffalo takes over with 3:33 left in the second, the Patriots haven’t sacked Allen in a game and a half, haven’t forced a punt in nearly eight full quarters, and haven’t forced a turnover since Matt Breida’s fumble in the first quarter of the MNF game.
BUF is winning the line battle on both sides of the ball. That’ll beat most teams, but especially NE whose wins this season have mostly come from doing the same.
is one crazy good quarterback.
is Allen now the new Asterisk?
It’s like they’re taking out 20 years of pent-up frustration out on the Patriots in one half
to find his jock.
What a great juke by Allen. Tonight he is flawless.
Bills get to 300 yards! 27-0! As TMQ would say, “I wrote game over in my notebook”
I looked up his worst playoff loss as Patriots coach earlier today and then told some friends that with Buffalo’s game plan and New England’s injuries, I felt the 19-point margin was in play. I’ll admit that I didn’t think they’d clear it with 23 minutes and blast well past it by halftime. By the end of the night, Josh Allen will own the biggest regular-season win against Belichick and should own the biggest playoff win against him as well.
Now the only real drama is if the pats can even score.
The lesson, as always: Never bring a Mac to a Josh fight.
+100 to all comments so far
Pats kick a FG?! Shame on you Belichick.
Promising start to H2….uh, never mind.
The smile just isn’t coming off my face.
Sanders TD! Beautiful pass. Josh Allen is on fire.
lol who needs xp’s
If the Bills can play like this in the weeks to come, look out!
*not that beating the Pats are a yardstick of greatness*
But whipping this defense has to count for something. And they’ve been whipping it for nearly seven quarters now.
The Pats defense was always overrated this season to my eyes.
They’ve beheaded it, chopped it up, and grilled it, and now they’re getting ready to serve dragon burgers to all the Pats fans out there. Oh, and Boston media, too. Those guys said they wanted the bull; hope they’re enjoying the horns!
Fun isn’t something one considers when trying to balance the NFL, but this…. this does put a smile on my face.
Wow. Just wow!
I want someone to edit this video clip, put Josh’s face on Vision’s, change “Age of Ultron” to “Age of Allen,” and put Belichick’s face on Thanos:
With a 37-point lead and under nine minutes to go, the Bills starters should be on the sideline. Every play they’re out there in the cold is just another opportunity to get hurt.
Anyone have Tommy Doyle on their fantasy team?
Now they’re running up the score..not fair…waaahhhhh
Still waiting for that super-secret defensive game plan he’s gonna unveil to stop 17. Maybe he’s saving it for next year.
The big man touchdown just makes all this even better and it was pretty great already.
I think part of why this blowout is so good is that NE isn’t playing horribly. It’s because Buffalo is playing so good it doesn’t matter. I enjoy well executed football a lot more than sloppy and a lot of blowouts are because one team is just executing like crap. NE looks like they are having an average game execution wise. Buffalo is just on another level tonight.
After that big man touchdown I feel like I was given an entire chocolate cake for my birthday and decided to eat all of it; it was great, but I’m bloated on sweets and butter now
We’ll, so much for weighted DVOA.