Sunday Divisional Round Open Discussion
23 Jan 2022, 01:48pm
Division champions square off as Tampa Bay (14-4) hosts the L.A. Rams (13-5), then the Kansas City Chiefs (13-5) host the Buffalo Bills (12-6).
I’m thinking Bucs and Bills.
But none of the four options will surprise me.
I hope so
I’d love to see a super bowl with Matt Stafford and Josh Allen in it. I feel like their styles of play would make for a really fun shootout.
Tampa Bay lined up to punt on their second drive, and Los Angeles put three guys out there to cover the Bucs’ left gunner. I’ve seen doubles on the past, but never a triple. Who deserves that much coverage? And why?
What a completely awful taunting penalty call. What is wrong with these officials? They don’t get fired often enough. Or at all.
I’d be more inclined to agree with you, except Suh has a very long track record of being nasty and pushing the line of roughing and good sportsmanship. I’m not going to complain if he keeps his head down and mouth shut the rest of the game because his normal behavior doesn’t make the game more enjoyable.
That’s not the role of a ref. Like Hochuli’s bs “You aren’t old enough to get that call” on Cam Newton. The refs need to ref what is on the field. Not interpret it based on their personal prejudices. Is he going to call the same penalty on everyone else on the field for the same behavior? No. Then he shouldn’t be calling it on Suh. If he can’t handle that, than perhaps he can make a half million a year doing a different job.
I interpreted that as, “Given Suh’s history, it wouldn’t be surprising if he said something bad enough to draw a taunting flag even though we couldn’t see it.”
That’s the thing, though. Suh has usually been the worst-behaved player on the field, so I don’t doubt that what he said was worth penalizing. His past behavior means he doesn’t merit the benefit of the doubt. I’m also not going to blame officials for wanting to put him, in particular, on notice early in the game if he does start running his mouth.
Now explain the call on Brady please
Suh getting dumb penalties again to hurt his team…so glad that’s someone else’s problem now.
The difficult thing is that I’m sure he felt legitimately aggrieved. On the brief replay shown, I couldn’t see the alleged kick by Stafford, but that’s irrelevant, anyway. Suh believed that he was kicked and he responded like he and people of his personality will always respond when they believe they were wronged. Some people would rather burn down the house than stay silent on a perceived slight. I suspect a large number, if not all, of Suh’s past disciplinary actions can be traced to him feeling justified about his actions due to something else that had happened recently.
Nothing going right for TB
I’m not really sure how Hochuli is calling this game. His crew (I know it’s not his crew in this game) was among the worst this season.
… still somehow means you’re one of the best.
And now Brady with a 15-yard penalty…followed by a 19 yard completion
Hochuli should not be a ref to begin with. After that call on Brady, he should not be allowed to even finish the game. This is completely about Hochuli’s ego. FFS, Brady’s lip is bleeding.
The non call on the hit was fine, and it’s about time somebody spanked Brady for his whining and crying.
No blood no foul. Oh wait…
OK, I lived long enough to see the day that I am defending Brady, maybe I should see a doctor this week for possibility of early onset dementia.
I am famous for how I feel about Brady, but that is just a stupid thing to say. In this instance, he was not whining about nothing. He had a legitimate complaint. Hochuli has absolutely no reason to throw a flag after missing a clear and obvious hit to the head.
The hit was to the chest. His head snapped down and his chin hit the top of the helmet. There is no way that should be called.
Without knowing exactly what Brady said we can’t judge whether the call was good or not, but I’m not a fan of any player in any support whining and to the officials. State your case, then shut up.
You are entitled to your opinion.
If you are attempting to make the argument that the hit Brady took there is not called in the NFL, well, you are welcome to live in your fantasy world, but the rest of us have been watching football for the past several decades. We know better.
I note that every player in every sport makes their case to the refs. Brady didn’t do anything there no one else in professional sports does, and he was stating his legitimate case.
You can make whatever pathetic excuse you want for Hochuli, but I don’t like to watch sports in which the game is decided by the refs. This is a game that has been totally ruined by Hochuli’s ego. And probably side financial dealings.
I don’t give a shit about hochuli. I honestly didn’t even know who was reffing the game. But this game has not been decided by the refs. Two penalties are not why the Bucs are losing.
Have hits like that been called? Sure, but complaining that Brady doesn’t get enough calls is pretty silly for anyone who has been watching football for the last decade.
Beckham is not one of the great hands catchers. He routinely drops catchable balls.
Well this is a must score drive for Tampa
Brady forcing the ball to Evans and Gronk like Rogers forced it to Adams yesterday.
Unless the Atlanta Falcons show up from their SB or this year’s version, I think its game over
Any version of the Falcons from the past decade would do.
There used to be a penalty for this, right? If so, what happened to it?
I was thinking the same thing. It was a point of emphasis for part of a year and hasn’t been called much since.
Too busy with taunting point of emphasis, must protect players from having words thrown at them, or a finger pointed at them as opposed to a helmet being used as a weapon
If so, HUUUUUGE break for the Bucs, who were very close to being dead and buried.
This is called the Brady forced fumble or Falcolning
Chokes against the Chargers? No problem: the idiot who picks him off will fumble the ball back so he can finish the comeback. Throws a terrible pick-six against the Falcons to put his team in a massive hole? No worries: the Falcons will derp it up hard and come up with the biggest choke of all time! Throws a terrible pick just before halftime that should finish off this game? Don’t worry: Cam Akers will drop the ball and bail him out. It’s uncanny.
Somehow, history will blame Matt Stafford.
Any minor miscue and its a safety
Ill be the judge of that. But idk what play you’re talking about
LA had a TO left and Tampa had ball inside 1 and did not use TO and let half expire
I approve then.
So please do me a favor and respond to him, it is much more fun for me to watch someone refute Pat’s foolish arguments than to refute them myself.
No thank you
I don’t understand how the Rams players would be mad. Or their fans. I mean sure the Bucs might but you’re trying to beat them lol
It’s a dick move to screw with plays like that. It probably would’ve been smart for the Rams to rush hard to force them to try to gain yardage, but you’re just going to piss everyone off, quite possibly even your own players.
I wonder whether Brady will be renegotiating his contract with Old Scratch at halftime of this game, too.
Out of date…the euphemism in use now is Father of Lies…ask Rand al’Thor…
But, lets be honest, there’s no difference between 7 and 8 rings. Maybe it’ll make him retire faster.
It seems like there have been an awful lot of dropped passes in all the games this weekend. Weather was a factor in the GB game, but not in the other two.
Interesting that the 20 yard play before the Tampa player crossed the line was also snapped after the play clock was at zero. Hochuli won’t do what he is supposed to be doing, when it comes to the Rams anyhow.
It’s not delay of game the second the clock hits zero. Its not the refs who are costing TB this game, despite your hate-on for Hocholli. They’re just playing badly.
Just so McVay can get the taste of 28-3 out of his mouth.
That was Shanahan, not McVay.
They got me all confused!
Go for two!
Go for two, just for the lulz
If you were just following this comment thread and not watching the game, you’d think this would be a close game that was being decided by the refs, not the one sided blowout that it actually is. Rams are completely controlling both sides of the line of scrimmage.
The Bucs are getting their asses handed to them. No other way to put it. The Bucs aren’t down 24 points because of two 15-yard penalties; they’re down 24 points on merit.
How would you know?
Because their kicker keeps putting kickoffs out of bounds? Because their quarterback keeps throwing to the turf like he expects it to catch passes for him? Because their defense has hardly shown any backbone whatsoever?
For starters, the Bucs immediately converted after the taunting penalty on Brady. They’ve failed to convert a lot of other plays when penalties weren’t called, which suggests the problem isn’t so much yards to go as much as failure to execute.
It’s about watching a fair contest between two teams. I don’t care who wins. I do want to see a game that isn’t being majorly impacted by the a terrible ref. You can’t let Hochuli do what he has done all day, or not do, in the case of not calling clear and obvious penalties.
Hochuli is an NFL ref because his father was an NFL ref. He is terrible. There are probably 200 million people in the US who would make a better ref than Hochuli.
Exactly! Have the Bucs gotten some tough penalties? Sure. But that isn’t why they are getting blown out.
As you said, it’s mostly getting dominated on the line of scrimmage. Throw in dropped passes and some bad special teams plays, and that is why the game isn’t even close.
Tampa’s OL injuries from last week are really showing up here. I don’t know if they would’ve been OK with Donald if Jensen hadn’t gotten hurt (and Wirfs was in) but they couldn’t really be worse.
I *do not* understand why Marpet is handling Donald one on one so much. He’s, um, not doing well.
Weird, after a drive with Donald over left guard most of the time, they shuffle him around and Tampa handles him a lot better. After Brady settles a bit, they actually hit stuff and score a TD.
Not sure why you move Donald outside when he’s wrecking things inside.
Donald back over Marpet, and Miller sack fumbles Brady. Dude, leave Donald inside.
NFC North or NFC South?
May I add NFC East if Dak gets hurt?
Nah, both Philly and Washington could be respectable. Not great, but respectable.
NFC South definitely has the least potential without Brady. Bucs basically become Washington, but Saints are in cap hell and Panthers have a head coach problem. So it basically comes down to the Falcons, and their best shot for relevancy next year is Ryan, but that’s a long term mistake probably. Could end up with Bucs and utter garbage.
Really? A FG? Are the Bucs not even trying at this point?
Belichick kicked a FG in the Falcons comeback.
My comment has aged poorly
Eleven yards is a ways to go, but I don’t think you can kick there. You still need three TDs and have limited time left.
Bucs are certainly getting the fumble luck this game.
Some more Falcolning
Whatever the Rams give up exactly, the Von Miller trade was worth it. Risky but they are pulling it off.
The Tom Brady Reality Distortion Field is set to the ON position (Kupp fumble), but it isn’t going to be enough, partly because Brady isn’t playing very well.
Then call it the Jimmy G comeback, no need to play well if given gifts
Now it’s set to EXTREMELY ON
Now its a 14 point game, and the rams just went 3 and out.
Err…now Brady coughs it up..
Oh wait now fumble on the snap, and the bucs get it right back.
Great D by Brady
These last few plays are hilarious
The farce is strong in this one.
Because back to back turnovers are always funny
First, von Miller gets the strip sack and puts the game away, and then Stafford isn’t ready for the snap and hands the ball right back to the Bucs? What is going on?
As I so often do, I look at this situation and think “what would Joe Judge do?” And I think the answer is clear … three QB sneaks to set up a game clinching FG – then fake the FG and throw a pick six.
Anyway, somehow TB-LAR came up with something even sillier than my sarcasm: a TB drive that ends with a LAR 15 yard roughing foul that still gives the Rams the ball on a turnover on downs, just 15 yards back.
Back to back turnovers resulting in a huge gain for the Bucs is some more goofy, random luck for TB…
Wow, this 4th quarter is incredible so far.
I’ve seen him suck in a lot of games—last year’s NFCCG comes to mind—and just get some mind-blowing luck on his side to cover it up. Unreal.
4th and 14 fails. Penalty on rams comes after the play.
It’s like Brady’s juju is fighting behind the scenes with some opposing juju, and the game is insane as a result. Like there are two sets of people somewhere frantically making incantations and sticking pins in dolls.
Asking for a certain #12.
Bucs offense is still performing poorly. It’s the defense and some luck that is getting the game closer.
“The ball only hit the ground a fraction before the hit!” isn’t making the case Collinsworth thinks it is.
Even if they miss the FG, burning five minutes off the clock would make that drive a success.
… But boy would making the kick have been better.
And he he’s short a yard on a 47 yarder! Yikes!
0/1 success rate this half.
timeout…might come in handy.
Missed fg! Still a 14 pt game with 6.5 min left.
I didn’t think there were any kickers still employed in the NFL who don’t regularly kick the ball 50+ yards. Accuracy is one thing, but I can’t recall the last time I saw a 47-yard kick come up short, even in the CFL, other than in unusual wind conditions. I have the sound off, though, so maybe there’s a strong wind in TB that affected things. (And no, I’m not going to turn the sound on to find out – I passed my annual tolerance threshold for Al Michaels’ voice a few weeks ago.)
I mean, short on a 47-yard FG? There’s only so much disbelief those of us in the Matrix can suspend.
From their usually reliable Pro Bowl kicker, too!
I honestly don’t remember seeing a kicker just plain kick it short on a sub-50-yarder this century. Maybe ever.
Can’t ever remember a game like this where a two touchdown lead deep into the 4th quarter felt so flimsy.
Of course they have to go for it.
Right? I know Michaels and Colinsworth are both checked-out dinosaurs, but why on earth would a competent team want to “make it an 11-point game” with under 5 minutes left? Turning a two-possession game into a two-possession game doesn’t accomplish a whole heck of a lot at that point.
IDK how they get these jobs.
Well its rams ball with 4:26 left.
That’s a total of 20 yards gained, one turnover, and two fourth-down failures in the last three drives for the Bucs.
Still not over, but now the Bucs would need an onside kick recovery, a forced turnover, or an extremely fast first score.
Time for last minute Brady magic?
Ok they got the fast score.
NFL scriptwriter wants nothing but chaos
Wow. Well if the Rams blow this, Stafford is good friends with Matt Ryan, so at least he has a built in support group.
Well, run the ball three times and there will only be about 1:05 left. I think I’d do that rather than pass… I think.
But they certainly can’t go empty.
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
WAIT A FUMBLE!!!
The Rams scored four times in their first five drives, but the offense has been a mess since then.
Fumble! Bucs ball! You can’t make this up
Fire Akers into the sun.
4 lost fumbles when fumbling 4 times is fine, as long as you recover 1
There’s no other way to explain this. Also, Brady’s contract with Chthulhu is very, VERY strong.
Bucs have recovered 4/5 fumbles. Sooooo lucky.
Now it’s the Rams who want the clock to drain slowly. Crazy turn of events.